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ffolliott    8

I saw this earlier and came in here to see if anyone was talking about it. Hopefully someone buys it, would be sad to see it go

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17 minutes ago, ffolliott said:

I saw this earlier and came in here to see if anyone was talking about it. Hopefully someone buys it, would be sad to see it go

 

I'd be surprised if it straight died. It's so popular, i'm sure a big investor could buy it and make it profitable. If someone started a kickstarter or a gofundme i imagine it would generate hella cash. I'd probably drop at least a few bucks for the cause (in addition to the fact I already pay the yearly fee for Soundcloud Pro lmao)

 

Still though if it dies i'm sure it won't be the end of the world for people like us. We have Youtube, Bandcamp, and maybe something else will be born to take its place. 

 

Audiomack takin advantage lmao. Has anybody used it? What are the differences between Audiomack and Soundcloud?

 

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GC90    935

Can't wait, Bandcamp is a much better platform for artists and fans.

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James Frank.    1,294

Soundcloud lost me the moment they did away with groups.  that whole deal fucked up the way Beat Battles were conducted here, it's a real shame...then with the ads.  the limited storage space.  the weird porn spam accounts that would inevitably filter their way into your inbox asking you to click on their links.  Soundcloud is like the RC Cola of music listening platforms

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8 hours ago, James Frank. said:

Soundcloud lost me the moment they did away with groups.  that whole deal fucked up the way Beat Battles were conducted here, it's a real shame...then with the ads.  the limited storage space.  the weird porn spam accounts that would inevitably filter their way into your inbox asking you to click on their links.  Soundcloud is like the RC Cola of music listening platforms

idk what the whole group thing was but the ads and limited storage space, they gotta make money somehow my man. That's why they were in this predicament in the first place. also the porn bot accounts lol that ain't their fault.

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GC90    935

The porn bot accounts are their fault, they won't invest in countering it and/or they like the bots because it boosts their userbase number which is important when trying to sell yourself to someone else.

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how were they making money before ads then?  were they just consistently losing money for years and years?

there aren't any upload limits (within reason) for YouTube or any other platform...it's kinda shitty to limit everyone to 3 hours on a free account, forcing people to delete tracks in order to upload new stuff.  especially for anyone who is trying to upload consistent content, i.e. podcasts, radio segments, full shows, etc.

Soundcloud made it impossible for these independent types of media to flourish on their platform...shit, even when i used to make beats i would still run out of space.  the premium/pro upgrades make sense if they want to make money that way, but honestly -- who is going to pay $84 / year for only double the upload time, and $180 / year for "unlimited" upload time?  i pay just about as much for a fully fleshed out website on Squarespace...to put things in perspective, Netflix charges $12/month MAXIMUM.  and that's something people use every single day.  these guys want $15/month for a service that nobody looks at as crucial...i can always just go to Audiomack, YouTube, or even just upload it myself onto my own website for FREE.

 

it's less convenient, which is annoying, but i'm not sitting here feeling like i'm losing out by not having Soundcloud Pro lol.  their biz model is very arrogant, it assumes people can't live without their platform when nothing is further from the truth.  the only people who do get hurt are the broke ass bedroom producers trying to build a following out of nothing from the merits of their platform...

 

i would pay if they set it up like Mediafire or other cloud storage sites, where you pay for a certain amount of extra time (like $1 for every 30 mins or something).  so many people like me would've gone for a pay as you go system like that -- but then on top of all that, they make it a recurring monthly charge despite the fact that upload time never increases.  let's say i went with Pro, paid $12/month to continue uploading 2 free accounts' worth of upload time (for this example, i'll say i post ~10 minute segments of a show once every week).  it would take me 18 weeks, or ~4 1/2 months, to eat through all of that extra time i paid for, so then i'm right back to being maxed out again.  and then on top of that, i'm forced to either pay to keep my already uploaded recordings, or i'm forced to delete half my entire library to conserve space...so then if i wanted to continue weekly uploads, then i guess i just have to say sayonara to all the work i posted that's older than 8 months.  2015 stuff?  fuck that, it's gone.  early 2016 stuff?  fuck you , you're gone too.  anybody who happens to stumble upon my work in this example sees my post history and assumes i've only been doing it since mid 2016 at the earliest...or, alternatively, i keep old tracks at the expense of a consistent upload schedule.  now it looks like i'm inconsistent and idk what the fuck i'm doing, i got 1-3 things from 2015, 4-8 things from 2016, and then just random new uploads from 2017.

this is why they failed miserably in the fight to compete against platforms like YouTube...YouTube doesn't do this shit.  and YouTube allows content creators to disable ads if they want to, so for a lot of independent beatmakers they can just upload their entire discography on there and nobody's limiting their upload time or telling them they can't upload something new every day (which, for anyone who understands social media, is CRUCIAL to setting themselves apart from the competition...like, that's step one in being relevant in today's entertainment landscape).

 

the fact that they don't understand this is the best evidence i can give for why they should die and be replaced by a platform that gets why people use their service.  they shot themselves in the foot by favoring this nonsensical approach that only serves to help people who upload <1 minute tracks occasionally unless they have an extra $200 lying around with no chance of a return on that investment.  they don't pay artists with Ad Sense, if you have 101K listens on a song your only reward is being able to say you have a song with 101K listens.  on YouTube you could potentially make $ on the ads they play alongside YOUR shit; here they just don't care.

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8 hours ago, James Frank. said:

how were they making money before ads then?  were they just consistently losing money for years and years?

nah the way apps and shit work is they pitch the idea to investors and investors give them the money to basically live off of and build the company. Soundcloud has proven that it has potential to be successful and it's abundantly clear people like the website and use it a lot and it's very popular so they keep going to investors to bail them out and keep them afloat. Investors invest because there is potential for profit.

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there aren't any upload limits (within reason) for YouTube or any other platform...it's kinda shitty to limit everyone to 3 hours on a free account, forcing people to delete tracks in order to upload new stuff.  especially for anyone who is trying to upload consistent content, i.e. podcasts, radio segments, full shows, etc.

3 hours is a ton of time man like idk why a free tier musician would need more than three hours. As far as podcasts and shit go yeah I feel that but Soundcloud needs money like you can hate them all you want for making money but any platform needs to make money in order to exist. It's unreasonable to expect them to just give you something unlimited for free.

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Soundcloud made it impossible for these independent types of media to flourish on their platform...shit, even when i used to make beats i would still run out of space.  the premium/pro upgrades make sense if they want to make money that way, but honestly -- who is going to pay $84 / year for only double the upload time, and $180 / year for "unlimited" upload time?  i pay just about as much for a fully fleshed out website on Squarespace...to put things in perspective, Netflix charges $12/month MAXIMUM.  and that's something people use every single day.  these guys want $15/month for a service that nobody looks at as crucial...i can always just go to Audiomack, YouTube, or even just upload it myself onto my own website for FREE.

i really find it hard to believe you would run out of space quickly with 3 hours of free upload time. Even so, three hours is like 5 albums worth of content like if you're using it that much you should give back to the platform. It's not fair to think a platform should host your entire discography and not charge you a single dime. If you're hell bent on not giving them money just move the old shit to youtube and band camp and upload new shit. I really don't believe, as a musician, you're having problems with the 3 hour upload limit. It's also not that expensive it's like 60 dollars a year for 6 hours of upload time and something like 80 dollars for unlimited. I'm not sure i'll look it up later.

Soundcloud offers lots of opportunities for discovery, nobody is going to randomly discover you on your website. You're not gunna draw in fresh fans by them somehow randomly discovering your website. Also Soundcloud has a nice app for streaming, idk if your website does.

Audiomack may be a good alternative but it's been around just as long (as far as I know) and is not nearly as popular so I don't believe it's as good. Even if it is, there's less fans there.

Soundcloud really is crucial for independent artists. If you don't have it as a solo underground artist you're really not going to get anywhere. Plain and simple.

Also just the fact that it's so popular is cause for it charging more. Again, more access to fans, more likely that when u send a potential new fan a link they'll open it.

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it's less convenient, which is annoying, but i'm not sitting here feeling like i'm losing out by not having Soundcloud Pro lol.  their biz model is very arrogant, it assumes people can't live without their platform when nothing is further from the truth.  the only people who do get hurt are the broke ass bedroom producers trying to build a following out of nothing from the merits of their platform...

Almost every rapper making it right now builds a following on Soundcloud first. it really is something you can't live without (at the moment). 

Also you're accusing the people who use Soundcloud of being broke but you don't want to pay for a service that deserves your money if they're gunna host you. Even if you don't think they deserve your money, they NEED your money in order to exist.

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i would pay if they set it up like Mediafire or other cloud storage sites, where you pay for a certain amount of extra time (like $1 for every 30 mins or something).  so many people like me would've gone for a pay as you go system like that -- but then on top of all that, they make it a recurring monthly charge despite the fact that upload time never increases.  let's say i went with Pro, paid $12/month to continue uploading 2 free accounts' worth of upload time (for this example, i'll say i post ~10 minute segments of a show once every week).  it would take me 18 weeks, or ~4 1/2 months, to eat through all of that extra time i paid for, so then i'm right back to being maxed out again.  and then on top of that, i'm forced to either pay to keep my already uploaded recordings, or i'm forced to delete half my entire library to conserve space...so then if i wanted to continue weekly uploads, then i guess i just have to say sayonara to all the work i posted that's older than 8 months.  2015 stuff?  fuck that, it's gone.  early 2016 stuff?  fuck you , you're gone too.  anybody who happens to stumble upon my work in this example sees my post history and assumes i've only been doing it since mid 2016 at the earliest...or, alternatively, i keep old tracks at the expense of a consistent upload schedule.  now it looks like i'm inconsistent and idk what the fuck i'm doing, i got 1-3 things from 2015, 4-8 things from 2016, and then just random new uploads from 2017.

Fans don't really look that deep into it and really are only going to peep the shit you have that's new. Stay consistent and just upload your old shit to youtube and band camp or wherever else and have links to it in the sidebar of your soundcloud. OR, again, if you're using the service SO much that you're using up 3 or 6 hours worth of upload space, pay for the unlimited time. GIVE BACK to a platform that gave you a voice and a way to reach fans.

You're acting like if it can't be on soundcloud it's lost in the void forever. Just archive the old stuff on other platforms like youtube and also keep a copy on your computer. This really isn't a huge deal. Again, a new fan isn't going to dig that deep they're just going to check out your new shit. If they become a die hard fan then they'll go to the other platforms or buy your art off iTunes or Bandcamp or wherever.

Also, charging 1 dollar per 30 minutes ONE TIME is simply not enough. This company has to pay hundreds of employees full time wages to keep the website running, especially with it being so popular.

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this is why they failed miserably in the fight to compete against platforms like YouTube...YouTube doesn't do this shit.  and YouTube allows content creators to disable ads if they want to, so for a lot of independent beatmakers they can just upload their entire discography on there and nobody's limiting their upload time or telling them they can't upload something new every day (which, for anyone who understands social media, is CRUCIAL to setting themselves apart from the competition...like, that's step one in being relevant in today's entertainment landscape).

Youtube doesn't need upload limits because they have a lot of Ads supporting them and they have the support of Google. (Google owns Youtube). Youtube is older and more established. Not to mention YouTube is also rolling out shit like youtube red and youtube music (paid subscriptions)

also Youtube isn't really comparable to Soundcloud. Youtube is a video platform Soundcloud is strictly music. There's more versatility to Youtube, easier to get people to see ads, things go viral way easier. Youtube can have music, funny videos, game walk throughs, movie trailers, all that shit and it's monetized via ads. Soundcloud is JUST music and people are less likely to tolerate ads on music platforms than video platforms. Youtube is standing because it has exponentially more traffic because it has a bunch of different types of content, not just music/audio. That's really the big reason why.

As far as other platforms, idk but like they're not as popular as Soundcloud so I can't imagine they're as good.

Also saying Soundcloud "failed miserably" to compete with other platforms is just simply not true. It has failed to monetize itself. As far as raw popularity and people using it, it's one of the biggest out there. If not, the absolute biggest for underground artists. It's failing at being monetized, not failing at being popular. If it can find a way to monetize itself it will continue to be one of the top platforms out there. it already is.

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the fact that they don't understand this is the best evidence i can give for why they should die and be replaced by a platform that gets why people use their service.  they shot themselves in the foot by favoring this nonsensical approach that only serves to help people who upload <1 minute tracks occasionally unless they have an extra $200 lying around with no chance of a return on that investment.  they don't pay artists with Ad Sense, if you have 101K listens on a song your only reward is being able to say you have a song with 101K listens.  on YouTube you could potentially make $ on the ads they play alongside YOUR shit; here they just don't care.

 

the idea that you have to pay for upload time is not nonsensical really at all. as an artist, 3 hours is roughly 5 albums worth of content. Most artists do like 1 album a year. That's plenty before u have to pay. As far as podcasts, that is somewhat fair but then again if you allow unlimited space then musicians would never have to pay. Soundcloud is in a pickle. If you're serious about your career as a podcaster you gotta invest the money into the extra space. It's not Soundcloud's fault.

 

I'm with you on the Ad Sense shit 110% though. It baffles me why Soundcloud hasn't gotten their shit together with ads. Idk why they haven't been able to do what Youtube does with copyright detection for remixes and shit and employing ads.

 

I agree with the general idea that Soundcloud is dying due to their shitty business model. I'll post an Anthony Fantano vid in a second but like, Soundcloud opened up lavish new offices and didn't have the money to support them lmao and it's ridiculous they haven't found a way to stay afloat, being so popular. I'm suspicious that soundcloud isn't in a pickle because they don't have enough money but rather that the Management sucks at managing their money.

 

My hopes are that Soundcloud either gets it's shit together and lives on or it does die and a new, better thing replaces it. Still though, idk why Soundcloud can't run better ads, visual and audio, and maybe even allow fans to buy albums off the soundcloud page and take a small cut, like Bandcamp or iTunes.

 

I personally hope that Soundcloud lives but if it doesn't then whatever, something new will rise to take it's place. Or someone better will buy it and run it better. I do personally really like the platform and would be sad to see it go.

 

 

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21 hours ago, GC90 said:

The porn bot accounts are their fault, they won't invest in countering it and/or they like the bots because it boosts their userbase number which is important when trying to sell yourself to someone else.

if they're not financially stable then investing in suppressing the porn accounts shouldn't be their priority.

I would be surprised if they liked the bots. The bots don't generate any money and annoy the users who are monetized. 

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i apologize btw for putting everything everyone says under a microscope. i'm on a shit ton of adderall right now lmao

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This Fantano video is very informative. 

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kamei    10

I wanted to pay for soundcloud pro unlimited.... now it's definitely the worse time for that :(

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James Frank.    1,294

lol not really feeling the Soundcloud Apologist argument up there ^

every counterpoint that was made could be dismissed by bringing up YouTube...

15 hours ago, MicESanzMusic said:

also Youtube isn't really comparable to Soundcloud. Youtube is a video platform Soundcloud is strictly music. There's more versatility to Youtube, easier to get people to see ads, things go viral way easier. Youtube can have music, funny videos, game walk throughs, movie trailers, all that shit and it's monetized via ads. Soundcloud is JUST music and people are less likely to tolerate ads on music platforms than video platforms. Youtube is standing because it has exponentially more traffic because it has a bunch of different types of content, not just music/audio. That's really the big reason why.

As far as other platforms, idk but like they're not as popular as Soundcloud so I can't imagine they're as good.

sorry, there's way too much for me to respond to so i'll just pull this little nugget of rhetoric to address.  you seem to have missed my entire argument -- the main problem Soundcloud has is that despite its popularity, it's not JUST music.  you even said lol, when you addressed me uploading podcasts regularly further up in your response...you know there's more on there than just music.  the platform is literally YouTube for audio, and if they want to stay afloat they need to act like it.

not being able to host as many ads just means they need to scale back their expectations.  Spotify makes it work.  Pandora makes it work.  Audiomack makes it work despite having a fraction of the popularity...that's why Soundcloud is a miserable failure imo.  popularity doesn't pay the bills, and they don't need "hundreds of employees" and a dozen lavish offices to run it.

the problem is they expect people w/o the means to afford $84-180 per year to pay that kind of $ for something that, like you admitted, isn't crucial for anyone besides bedroom producers who are trying to make it and get noticed.  YouTube offers exclusive content via Red and Music, they don't just fuck you over and make you pay to keep your channel after you've established it; Soundcloud does.  they literally punish the concept of regular uploads...and yes, it is completely reasonable to expect a website whose sole purpose is hosting audio to allow you to host as much audio as you damn well please to promote yourself THROUGH their platform.

Soundcloud owes just as much to Chance the Rapper as Chance owes to Soundcloud.  social media celebs not only make a name for themselves, but essentially become brand ambassadors and representatives of their respective platforms...from Facebook to Vine, there's successful people on every platform creating regular content that allows people to indulge in the service and (duhhhhhh) USE IT MORE FREQUENTLY.

when you limit access, limit content creation, and limit a potential audience that could expand into places like, podcasts, concerts, talk radio, radio plays, audio books, audio reviews, etc. (i.e. content that is NOT created by small-time bedroom beatmakers, but stuff that is more corporate and more consistent in nature, allowing more frequent uploads of episodes)...well then, i'm not really all that wistful about a company's failure.

you're acting like there will never be another Soundcloud; i'm telling you Soundcloud is the MySpace of audio hosting platforms.  it can and will be replaced by something better, and we all will rejoice on that app where we can have the freedom that old Soundcloud provided us.

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3 hours ago, James Frank. said:

lol not really feeling the Soundcloud Apologist argument up there ^

every counterpoint that was made could be dismissed by bringing up YouTube...

again, not really because Youtube is videos and Soundcloud is purely audio.

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sorry, there's way too much for me to respond to so i'll just pull this little nugget of rhetoric to address.  you seem to have missed my entire argument -- the main problem Soundcloud has is that despite its popularity, it's not JUST music.  you even said lol, when you addressed me uploading podcasts regularly further up in your response...you know there's more on there than just music.  the platform is literally YouTube for audio, and if they want to stay afloat they need to act like it.

I responded to each and every one of your paragraphs with a response close in size to yours. It shouldn't be too much information if it is close in size to what you provided.

it's not JUST music but music takes up the majority of their traffic. The reason it's popular really is because of the music. There are other things like podcasts but the popularity of podcasts are a very small fraction compared to the music. Not to mention the reputation really is for music hence soundcloud rappers.

my point was that if they give musicans all this free shit to cater to podcasters they'll lose a bunch of revenue. They gotta cater to the bigger demographic.

I can see the argument that Soundcloud needs to cater to more than just music but Soundcloud started out as a platform for all audio but 90% or more of the people who use it use it for music. It had to adapt to focus on music more. I get where the argument is coming from but I disagree. Look at the numbers.

 

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not being able to host as many ads just means they need to scale back their expectations.  Spotify makes it work.  Pandora makes it work.  Audiomack makes it work despite having a fraction of the popularity...that's why Soundcloud is a miserable failure imo.  popularity doesn't pay the bills, and they don't need "hundreds of employees" and a dozen lavish offices to run it.

This all just isn't relevant at all in terms of debating with me because I already agreed that Soundcloud doesn't manage their money well.

If you take a look at my post I said that I have a hunch their financial problems stem from them not managing their money well, not a lack of money. I said them blowing money on lavish offices is unnecessary and why they're probably in trouble. They probably make enough money from ads and paying for upload times and Soundcloud Go they're just spending too much.

If not they need to adopt a better copyright detection program and run ads in a similar vein to YouTube and/or offer digital album purchases off their website.

They really do need to hire employees tho like idk how many they need cause i'm not an insider but it could be hundreds as they grow. My point was: the payment method you suggested wouldn't give them enough revenue to pay full time salaries. You suggested 1 dollar for every added 30 minutes and a one time payment and that's hardly anything.

 

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the problem is they expect people w/o the means to afford $84-180 per year to pay that kind of $ for something that, like you admitted, isn't crucial for anyone besides bedroom producers who are trying to make it and get noticed.  YouTube offers exclusive content via Red and Music, they don't just fuck you over and make you pay to keep your channel after you've established it; Soundcloud does.  they literally punish the concept of regular uploads...and yes, it is completely reasonable to expect a website whose sole purpose is hosting audio to allow you to host as much audio as you damn well please to promote yourself THROUGH their platform.

I get the argument that the people who are using Soundcloud are kids and underground artists who don't have a lot of disposable income so it's hard to transfer them to paying customers. I can see that. Still though, 3 hours is a TON of time. That's 5 albums worth of content! Just move your old shit to YouTube or wherever else. It's not a big deal! You could easily use Soundcloud for free forever. No new fan is going to go back 2-3 years and listen to your oldest shit they're gunna listen to your new shit. It does not punish you for uploading regularly lol. Nobody is going to be like "yo this guy uploads once a week let me go back 2 years and start listening".

Plus 7 dollars a month is not a lot at all and that's for 6 hours of upload content. Unlimited is 15 a month. That's not a lot of money, I could afford that when I was 16 years old. I paid for Runescape which was 5 dollars a month when I was in 5th grade lol. If you're serious about making it in the music industry it's a worthy investment.

not really sure what you're getting at with this: "...like you admitted, isn't crucial for anyone besides bedroom producers who are trying to make it and get noticed." A solid 90% of the content creators who use Soundcloud are musicians. This is a place FOR musicians who are trying to get noticed. That's like saying Gyms aren't crucial for anyone besides people who lift weights.

You also keep bringing up the podcast thing and I would say Soundcloud is pretty crucial for podcasters too. I don't listen to podcasts very much so I may be wrong on that but I certainly didn't "admit" Soundcloud is only useful for bedroom producers, especially since you keep bringing up the podcast thing.

I can see the Youtube Red and Music comparison, however, in my personal opinion, you're over inflating the expectation that amateurs need to pay. 3 hours of upload time is a long time. Like I said that's 5 albums of work.

 

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Soundcloud owes just as much to Chance the Rapper as Chance owes to Soundcloud.  social media celebs not only make a name for themselves, but essentially become brand ambassadors and representatives of their respective platforms...from Facebook to Vine, there's successful people on every platform creating regular content that allows people to indulge in the service and (duhhhhhh) USE IT MORE FREQUENTLY.

yeah, and? what are you arguing here lol. what is this in relation to what i said?

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when you limit access, limit content creation, and limit a potential audience that could expand into places like, podcasts, concerts, talk radio, radio plays, audio books, audio reviews, etc. (i.e. content that is NOT created by small-time bedroom beatmakers, but stuff that is more corporate and more consistent in nature, allowing more frequent uploads of episodes)...well then, i'm not really all that wistful about a company's failure.

the access is not limited at all. it's as easy as anywhere else for fans to access it. This is a debate about the woe of the content creator. The fan is fine.

Content creation i guess is TECHNICALLY limited in that you need to pay at a certain point but it's not a lot of money or a big deal. Also, it costs money to publish things like podcasts and talk shows and audio books. You're acting like it's 100% free to publish anywhere else. It costs a lot of money to get things on Spotify, iTunes, etc., more than it would cost to buy more upload space on Soundcloud. I'm not a podcaster but I know that 2 popular digital distributors are Tunecore and CD Baby. To distribute an album to Spotify, iTunes, Google Play, etc. via Tunecore, it costs 30 dollars per album and then 40 dollars per year to keep that album online. CD baby is 50 an album and then they never charge you again but they take a 9% cut of sales. I can't imagine it's much cheaper to distribute audio books and podcasts. 

YouTube is free but then YouTube owns it lol. If you want to copyright it and get revenue you have to do CD Baby or Tunecore (Pay Money) and the only way to be a partner with Youtube is if they approve you. 

Idk who the hell would want to listen to a concert on Soundcloud and idk who the hell would upload an Audiobook weekly for free on Soundcloud lmao.

As far as talk shows, podcasts, etc. the potential audience is not limited at all. You're arguing the content creator is limited because they have to pay a fee for upload time but that's really not limiting.

Also keep in mind Soundcloud has to pay for servers and shit to store all of this information.

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you're acting like there will never be another Soundcloud; i'm telling you Soundcloud is the MySpace of audio hosting platforms.  it can and will be replaced by something better, and we all will rejoice on that app where we can have the freedom that old Soundcloud provided us.

This is just simply wrong. If you look at my older post I say i hope Soundcloud either gets it's shit together or something else will replace it. this is what I said exactly at the bottom of my earlier post:

"I personally hope that Soundcloud lives but if it doesn't then whatever, something new will rise to take it's place. Or someone better will buy it and run it better."

in my 4th post in this thread I say "Still though if it dies i'm sure it won't be the end of the world for people like us. We have Youtube, Bandcamp, and maybe something else will be born to take its place. "

I'm not acting like there will never be another Soundcloud. 

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James Frank.    1,294

well the thing we keep arguing in circles over is what Soundcloud should be used for.  you seem to be dead-centered on the idea that it's like FUBU for independent music creators specifically, including fans of indie artists, indie artists themselves, indie labels, and indie artist collectives.

i'm saying it could easily expand its influence and be more than that if it was managed properly, which we both agree it is not.  let's just agree to disagree and be glad we don't own a business like Soundcloud together lol.  nothing like a good, long-winded argument on a message board to really get the blood flow going

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6 hours ago, James Frank. said:

well the thing we keep arguing in circles over is what Soundcloud should be used for.  you seem to be dead-centered on the idea that it's like FUBU for independent music creators specifically, including fans of indie artists, indie artists themselves, indie labels, and indie artist collectives.

i'm saying it could easily expand its influence and be more than that if it was managed properly, which we both agree it is not.  let's just agree to disagree and be glad we don't own a business like Soundcloud together lol.  nothing like a good, long-winded argument on a message board to really get the blood flow going

yeah aight lol. i feel that.

either way, i personally hope that closing its offices was them realizing their mistakes and deciding to make changes to run their business better and it was not born out desperation.

Chance the Rapper i guess spoke with the CEO and they announced together that Soundcloud will live beyond 50 days and well into the future. Apparently the "dead in fifty days" thing wasn't true according to them.

there seems to be theories floating around that this was all a big publicity stunt. none of this really matters tho i mean if soundcloud can thrive it'll continue to be one of the big platforms for underground artists to make a name for themself. if not, it'll die, and something new will fill the void. such is business. 

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GC90    935

Why do we need Soundcloud when Bandcamp exists? The only thing missing is a 'social' component which I'm sure they will be adding first thing when SC does die (it will)

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gavin    3

as an avid soundcloud user, i'd like to see it dissolve.

its abundance of small issues and bizarre design flaws (ie two mobile apps?) leaves something to be desired.. 
soundcloud had so much potential, viva la whatever eventually supersedes it

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Grifty    812

the reason for soundcloud to exist is............having a quick and easy place to up a free track that's audio only.  with maybe a cover art.  soundcloud is a publishing service for amateurs.  youtube links imply video and it's almost a letdown to find audio only.  bandcamp links imply a full album or EP imo. a larger and more complete project.  soundcloud is like a 7-inch single for amateur digitalists

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Soundcloud Update: http://variety.com/2017/music/news/soundcloud-nearing-lifeline-deal-with-private-equity-firms-report-claims-1202510367/

 

Notable quotes: 

 

"SoundCloud is nearing a deal to sell stakes in the company to two private equity firms...Combined, the two private equity firms would own a majority of SoundCloud"

"...a SoundCloud rep emphasized to Variety that his (Chance the Rapper's) contribution was purely moral support"

“...SoundCloud is not going away. Not in 50 days, not in 80 days or anytime in the foreseeable future. Your music is safe … SoundCloud is here to stay.” 

 

 

 

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Chipotle has a Soundcloud

 

*Edit* This beat is fire 

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On 20.7.2017 at 10:17 AM, GC90 said:

Why do we need Soundcloud when Bandcamp exists? The only thing missing is a 'social' component which I'm sure they will be adding first thing when SC does die (it will)

Looks like this is their direction. Users are now referred to as 'fans' with their own profile pages showcasing purchase collection, wishlist and followers.

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1stN3rd    200
On 7/20/2017 at 3:17 AM, GC90 said:

Why do we need Soundcloud when Bandcamp exists? The only thing missing is a 'social' component which I'm sure they will be adding first thing when SC does die (it will)

Bandcamp got shitty when they started turning it into a social app. Like no thanks I don't want to mix social media with discovering new music. Also the mobile app is garbage. Garbage. The fact that it stops after a single song and you have to queue the next song manually is a major flaw. The entire purpose behind sharing music on those platforms is so people will be able to easily listen to it.

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soulREBEL360    685

Whatever happened to that one on these boards who was creating a "website for producers to collaborate"?  He actually had some pretty good ideas.  

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